smoth wrote:so what brand of Zionist are you yan? You feel that the disproportionate actions of Israel are justified? You are stupid enough to forget that Sharon pushed in to put those settlements there? You are so blind. Your country is not at war, your country is using the tools of war to put down CIVIL unrest. It is like the cops killing US gangsters with bombs. Yeah, really clean kill there. You talk about how israeli's don't want to harm civilians your country attacked primarily civilian targets in Lebanon! Your bombing runs are against civilian areas, instead of surgical strikes the solution was bomb the hell out of Israel! Sure they shoot missiles occasionally at Israel so your country opts for WHOLESALE SLAUGHTER!
Even so your country attacks within it's self at the less than capable Palestinians and then you are going to wonder why terrorists from other countries attack you for putting down civil unrest! If your Zionist government treated the Palestinians like citizens and allowed for intermixing none of this would be necessary.
Instead you guys are provoking the crazy motherfuckers in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Why because you can't have a palestinian live next door? come on! The blame is ultimately on us I think though, we should have never allowed this to start in the first place. Well us and England IIRC. If only this stupidity didn't start.
Unbelievable.
You have shown ignorance of the entire subject mater.
Not only do you not know you are misusing the word Zionism cause you do not even know what it means but you do so as a result of pure antisemitism.
First of all Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people deserve a country.
How is that a bad or unfair thing?
It was a national movement of secular Jews as a result of attacks on Jews in eastern Europe.
The fact you make it into something supposedly evil is a result of pure antisemitism(that you adopted from someplace else) because your basically saying that unlike other people jews do not deserve to have their own country..THAT'S what being an anti zionist means.
Zionism has been cinicly used by anti semites because of the political uncorrectness of accusing jews of something.
Go read some of the passionate accusations versus zionism and how it controls the world the world media etc etc etc...now replace the word zionism with jews...same exact old rethoric...├óÔé¼┼ôWhen people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism.├óÔé¼┬Ø
Thats a martin luther king quote,im sure you know who he was.
after we have settled this issue lets go forward.
The Palestinians have elected Hamas(or hams hijacked the election like west bank leader abu mazen says),a terrorist group(an accepted fact by the european union usa and some arab countries).
The hamas in its charter states it wants to obliterate israle,makes anti semitic remarks and talks of the day jews will be killed by muslims.
you can go look it up all of this is no secret.
Hamas is an international terror organization who works in many places not just Israel.
The hamas in the Gaza strip receives weaponry from Iran Syria and even china.
It has rockets grads and has been shooting them at israel for almost a decade.
Israel is bombing houses because the weapons are being smuggled into the Gaza strip from the Egyptian border through underground tunnels and there are also extensive tunnel systems dug up under houses and living neighborhoods of the populations.
Before Israel bombs houses it drops leaflets asking any population to evacuate telling them that this area will be bombed.
the reason Israel doesn't send troops in,is that hamas has prepared for such attempts throughout all the time after Israel evacuated its settlments and bases from the gaza strip and also set hundreds of traps and bombs in different areas..
Thats how they make peace and work for peace..Israel retreats from territory only to allow them to arm themselves and start attacking Israel..
Again hamas does not want peace and it will only stop when Israel is no more and all territories belong to hamas.
They say it and have been always.
About Sharon.
I'm not blind,I know he was a supporter of the settlements,obviously.
I'm just saying he is not a religious fanatic or a lunatic and knows when certain actions are appropriate based on the situation.
About the casualties...even hamas says 1/4 are civilians Israel says 1/10 so if you don't believe Israel has an independent news system that is far more truthful than any reports coming form hamas you may think the truth is in between those 2 numbers which is still horrible but far less horrible than the way any other country leads its military conflicts.
as a final note,hamas has around 15k troops many are suicide bombers that are willing to commit suicide to kil troops or israeli civilians..civil unrest my ass.
Smoth if you have an opinion at least be fair enough to read about what you are commenting about.
What's next?"zionists" to blame for climate change?
n short the atatck is not disproportionate but was done as a retaliation to a rithless enemy that only seeks conflict and will do anything to destroy israel.
Hamas knew thiswas coming,they knew that fater their massive vollet of rockets and 8 years of none stop bombardment this will happen yet they did it none the less.
and what integration are you tlaking about Smoth?that is rediculeous.
Its like saying Britain should have let the Irish integrate into it and the conflict would have ended...what a load of unrealistic nonesense... .
Just shows you do not know the people nor the situation and belittle the people,Israelis and Palestinians alike.
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