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Gota
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... sion&hl=en

This is a different perspective on some of the occurrences in very recent history that you might not get exposed to at all in mainstream media.
Some of you might not agree with it but at least watch the movie till the end,and than,ask yourselves,if you do not agree with the movie,"if such a thing or something similar was actually going on,how would it be different?" and "why cant this be true?".
Im not saying this is absolute truth
(I mean the scale of the phenomenon,
The fact its happening needs no proving and those video images are obviously not fake)
but I think it is much closer to the truth than what most mainstream media is presenting.
I myself am very critical of any news broadcast or article and always try to look for criticism of certain actions and the criticism of the criticism.

--edit-- corrected the link.
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huh
what is good for
absolutely nothing
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I have supplied the wrong link,sorry.
here is the correct one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... sion&hl=en
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You will have no sympathy from me, I know families from lebanon.
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Scary isn't it... However... I think the differences are more telling than the similarities to nazi germany. Corrupt the german infrastructure and you can collapse nazi germany, this conflict is much less substantial. An organized armed force is not what is being fought, the battle is for the minds and hearts of the next generation. If that battle is lost, it's only a matter of time before the next battle is one of all out violent conflict.
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smoth wrote:You will have no sympathy from me, I know families from lebanon.
What is that suppose to mean?
Are you saying that for some reason the lebanon war was Israel's fault?Israel one sidedly retreatedfrom lebanon border whci hit occupied.
What did it get in return?soldiers kidnapped and eventually killed(where were all the organizations for human rights?where was the call to allow the red cross to see them?as usually nowhere)and constant Hezbollah threats that they will annihilate Israel.
Israel should have in fact stayed in Lebanon much longer this time and cleared all of Hezbollah that has terrorized not only Israel but also Lebanese christian population.
Unfortunately as usual Israel was partly defeated from the inside by the same delirious leftist voices.
The fact you know Lebanese families means nothing..of course the suffered,do you expect no civilian casulties when a war is raging?
And yes Israel has more firepower and it uses it but you know why?cause deep down people here know that if it was to become the other way around there would be no Israel.
When an entity near your borders,an extreme Islamic entity Is calling for your destruction and is arming itself to the teeth what should a country do?Especially when that entity's only proclaimed goal is endless violence until they literally destroy you.
Tell me,have you ever heard Israel making threats it will annihilate another country or people?
Just who are you siding with Smoth?
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Gota wrote:What did it get in return?soldiers kidnapped and eventually killed(where were all the organizations for human rights?where was the call to allow the red cross to see them?as usually nowhere)and constant Hezbollah threats that they will annihilate Israel.
And still, they got killed :(

Gota wrote:Just who are you siding with Smoth?
Please, stop the baiting. Exactly this position causes (such) wars!
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gota makes no sense at all and should probably stop posting

quote this if you're down

also tbqh if you think muslims aren't treated as evil by the media you're wrong
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lets just agree that both sides are wrong, the fighting ones.
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israeli defending israel's actions & war crimes is as unbiased as nazis defending their actions & war crimes
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Says the person living in a country that donates money to Palestinians to make school books that advocate giving your life for Allah and hate for everything none muslim.
The movie which you obviously didn't even bother watching presents real videos its not claiming something unsubstantiated,it presents what is there and talks about it.

I have never heard you talk critically of the palestinian actions,suicide bombing and other atrocities.
So your saying its ok to kill Jewish civilians and children?
Israel does not attempt to harm civilians,Hamas does.
Israel doesn't preach hate of others in its schools.
Israeli leaders do not talk of genocide or destruction of nations like Muslim leaders do yet israel is the one blamed for it in a zealous manner.
I'm sure you heard all these threats coming form muslim leaders yet you choose to ignore them?why?
Just look in Hamas charter...everything is there but you don't care.
And than people blame Jews for crying antisemitism...
just google organizations like "amnesty",betsalem etc that are supposedly monitoring violations of human rights and international laws and add the words bias and Israel and check those claims for bias.
Where are the outcries when kids die in Israel?
where was the world when Israeli soldiers were kidnapped to Lebanon and returned dead?
Have you heard of all kinds of infiltrations made by terrorists into jewish settlements killing children and civilians?Maybe they get mentioned without further elaborating and than forgotten,maybe.
Where are the international protests against Hamas using public institutions private homes,hospitals and other municipal buildings to launch attacks?
How is it that amnesty international charged Israel more than any other country in the world for human rights violations?
surely places like Iran,Saudi Arabia,china and the african countries where millions are killed and huge portions of the populations are oppressed under Muslim law(shariah with punishments like beatings,stoning,cutting of hands tongues and genitels) deserve much more attention than Israel..
Surely those places are much more dangerous to human rights being totalitarian,oppressing countries than Israel,a democratic country that has more than 1.5 million arabs living in it with full rights including the right to vote and have parties in the government.
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The notion that giving up land will bring piece is ridicules.
Why?first of all cause these Muslim organizations proclaim day and night that the occupied territories to them are the entire state of Israel and its in theor leaflets and charters.
second,Israel gave Palestinians full rule over the Gaza strip(a one sided retreat)and removed its settlements and army bases.
What did it get in return?years of bombardment and eventually the GAZA war.

Your post is a slogan and nothing more.
A meaningless pile of words that does not relate to reality.
If your not trying to be outright hateful than You are fighting against the same values you think you are protecting.
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Well, I've only had time to watch about 3/4s of it before class. So far nothing new, but I would guess the ending is the most important part, eh?

I would like to see how all the guerilla terrorist forces in the world plan on destroying the most powerful state governments in the world... there is no way they could have enough resources and men to do more than a short lived attempt at a land invasion so unless they blow us up with nukes its not happening. It'd be horrible, like WW2, but it would not last. And if they nuke us and the western world is gone, how do a bunch of fanatical, power hungry, locally separated forces plan on restoring world order and taking the position of the destroyed west?

I havent seen their plan for what happens when they succeed. Check the Dark Ages after the fall of the Roman Empire. That was pretty awesome, right? Decentralized power does not work man.

Fail post is fail.
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That's not how a thing like the would unfold.
This Islamic radicalization is a result of KGB activities during the cold war,since the sixties.
It started by them fueling social revolt as a means to establish socialist governments and ended in radical revolutionary Islam and the Russian cooperation with Muslims in the oil business.
KGB also sponsored non muslim teror groups like the IRA...
This is not some new thing just the public doesnt pay much attention...a bombing here a bombing there..but these head on violent attacks are the results of a long process of stirring up Muslim religious zealotry its not something new.
A world war?just look how Europe has changed in the past few decades..suddenly there are mainstream discussions about if a woman should wear a veil..people who draw caricatures of Muhammad get killed.. all happening in Europe....riots in france...?
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TheBigPK wrote:Well, I've only had time to watch about 3/4s of it before class. So far nothing new, but I would guess the ending is the most important part, eh?

I would like to see how all the guerilla terrorist forces in the world plan on destroying the most powerful state governments in the world... there is no way they could have enough resources and men to do more than a short lived attempt at a land invasion so unless they blow us up with nukes its not happening. It'd be horrible, like WW2, but it would not last. And if they nuke us and the western world is gone, how do a bunch of fanatical, power hungry, locally separated forces plan on restoring world order and taking the position of the destroyed west?

I havent seen their plan for what happens when they succeed. Check the Dark Ages after the fall of the Roman Empire. That was pretty awesome, right? Decentralized power does not work man.

Fail post is fail.
You have no understanding of why the various terrorist groups do what they do and/or get support.
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I am with gota on this one. Ask yourself, should a culture of hate and intolerance have a place in the modern, globalized world? Propaganda aside, fact is west allows people to move in and belive in whatever they want, and treats citizens (at least legally) equal.

Speaking of rome, did you know anicent greeks had clockworks, until intolerance of rome decimated other mediterranean cultures. It was some 1500 years later clocks were rediscovered. Imagine a world without intolerance. ~~
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I am with gota on this one. Ask yourself, should a culture of hate and intolerance have a place in the modern, globalized world?
yeah , lets just nuke all the non christians(everyone except christians are obviously intolerant and inheretly evil) and well develope a civilized and peaceful culture =))))
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Sleksa wrote:
I am with gota on this one. Ask yourself, should a culture of hate and intolerance have a place in the modern, globalized world?
yeah , lets just nuke all the non christians(everyone except christians are obviously intolerant and inheretly evil) and well develope a civilized and peaceful culture =))))
the discussion was about radical Islam and you know it.
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It was pretty explicit about that, sleska...
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Teutooni wrote:I am with gota on this one. Ask yourself, should a culture of hate and intolerance have a place in the modern, globalized world? Propaganda aside, fact is west allows people to move in and belive in whatever they want, and treats citizens (at least legally) equal.
i haven't watched the video what exactly are you saying

i really don't like what happened with e.g the danish cartoon stuff and think it's really shitty when stuff like that happens but that doesn't mean i support muslims = evil

id unno
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Sleksa... :P
tombom wrote:i haven't watched the video what exactly are you saying
We should try to understand different cultures, not oppress them. Radical muslims are the exact opposite, and get no sympathy from me. It's something of a paradox, I know - Trying to promote tolerance by not tolerating the radicals. It's like waging war for peace. A war I did not start, mind you.

And I'm not saying *all* muslims are evil or anything. I have met plenty of muslims around the world, all of them were friendly and decent. It's the radicals I don't agree with, not just muslims but all intolerant radicals.
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