Fallout 3

[Cabbage]

I love you steve!

F3 has potential, but story wise its pretty shitty compared to F2. My char started with 6 int and i managed to talk the enclave computer to death by accident by saying a couple of sentences. as soon as that happened i quit.

F2 is simply far more entertaining with all the hidden little jems a wierd goings on.

[rattle]

F2 is simply far more entertaining with all the hidden little jems a wierd goings on.

Like.. marrying that queer guy before you sell him off to the slavers (in case you kept them alive).

[SwiftSpear]

ha thats a good one Pk, so true too, I was taken in by the nice graphics and just the fact it was a fallout gameearly on, halfway through I realised the games just junk.
Shite story, CRAPPY voice acting, horrible animation, buggy as hell, rubbish quests, STUPID perk system getting one every level ffs, making it way too easy to increase your main stats, plus most of the perks are useless anyway... sigh, if only black isle had done it... oh well, hopefully someone will mod it or something :)

Cabbage! lets become modders !

Im off to load up fallout 2, rescue Myron (best character ever) and beat up frank horrigan.

The perk system makes more sense when you realize 20 is the max level.

[BigSteve]

Same old condescending swift spear....

I know the level cap is 20... that doesn't change the fact 90% of the perks are useless / pointless.

Perks should be every 3 levels like they used to be, then they're more rewarding when you get them. I dont want 20 perks for my character, thats stupid.
I used advanced training or whatever almost every time because there's nothing else good to pick from. That in itself is bollocks becasue its way to easy to increase your main character stats.

In the other fallouts I remember agonising over which perk to pick, because there were so many good ones that I wanted, plus they only came every 3 levels so it was a major deal on how your character developed.

[SwiftSpear]

Same old condescending swift spear....

I know the level cap is 20... that doesn't change the fact 90% of the perks are useless / pointless.

Perks should be every 3 levels like they used to be, then they're more rewarding when you get them. I dont want 20 perks for my character, thats stupid.
I used advanced training or whatever almost every time because there's nothing else good to pick from. That in itself is bollocks becasue its way to easy to increase your main character stats.

In the other fallouts I remember agonising over which perk to pick, because there were so many good ones that I wanted, plus they only came every 3 levels so it was a major deal on how your character developed.

Ya, but there was also the simple fact that you didn't have to fight against a ceiling. So maby you only got a perk once in a while, but you could always get it later, you just had to put more time into the game. Most of my fallout 2 characters won around level 40 or so.

Your character would have a much less expansive set of perks if they left it at every 3rd level in fallout 3.

[BigSteve]

Im pretty sure most fallout 2 players didn't bother going to level40...
Besides thats 13 perks in 40 levels... as a pose to getting 20 perks in half the time with only 20 levels.

Fallout 3's level system and perk system is bollocks, spoiled the game for me, I never really looked forward to levelling, I never really felt I achieved much to earn a perk, and when I did, there was shite all to choose from anyway, oh yay, lets increase my intelligence... again.
Oh the excitement.

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I want my 60 bucks back

[smoth]

that is one thing I hate about betheseda is that you become master of everything eventually

[SwiftSpear]

that is one thing I hate about betheseda is that you become master of everything eventually

The level 20 cap kindof prevents that in fallout 3.

[smoth]

cool!

[[TS]Lollocide]

The good thing about the stats system: It doesn't make a sod of difference for anything except science, repair and lockpicking.

Or atleast a noticable difference.

[SwiftSpear]

The good thing about the stats system: It doesn't make a sod of difference for anything except science, repair and lockpicking.

Or atleast a noticable difference.

Depends which stats... All of them do something, most of them have to do with improving VATS though, if you don't use much vats then you probably don't need to worry about pretty much any stats.

[Teutooni]

The water purifier thing I can live with. Everyone wants to turn it on, yes, but in the hands of the enclave they'd just use it to enslave(or poison) the populace. But WHAT THE HELL is going on inside the enclave? Perhaps Eden went completely haywire somewhere along the way, considering colonel autumn so readily starts a rebellion, and that I could talk Eden into committing a suicide by basically saying "U phail". Wait... what? indeed.

I agree with steve, the perk system is a step backwards. There are no powerful perks which define your character like in the original games, just minor improvements in some areas. The skill changes, however, were very succesfull. I always thought first aid and doctor should be one skill, and that gambling and throwing were kinda useless.

[TheMightyOne]

[BaNa]

i started a game, managed to kill everyone in vault 101 with the pistol i got at start, then i blew up megaton and killed everyone in that tower thing. I got to level 3 by the end of all this. I remember how much we agonized over ANTS and RATS in the first 2 fallouts, not to speak of people with real weapons. This game blows. It feels like an un-fun oblivion. I liked morrowind better anyway.

[Teutooni]

i started a game, managed to kill everyone in vault 101 with the pistol i got at start, then i blew up megaton and killed everyone in that tower thing. I got to level 3 by the end of all this. I remember how much we agonized over ANTS and RATS in the first 2 fallouts, not to speak of people with real weapons. This game blows. It feels like an un-fun oblivion. I liked morrowind better anyway.

...Because killing everyone should be fun, right? Did you try very hard difficulty? ~~

Rats and ants were so goddamn easy I have no idea what you are talking about. Hell, try meleeing a giant radscorpion in F1, 2 and 3 and see which is hardest.

[BaNa]

...Because killing everyone should be fun, right? Did you try very hard difficulty? ~~

it shouldn't be possible at L1.

[[TS]Lollocide]

You obviously never met the Giant Radscorpion, I fired like three high-explosive rockets at that thing and the bastard just laughed and killed my Brotherhood partner.

[BattleMonk]

This game blows. It feels like an un-fun oblivion. I liked morrowind better anyway.

my brother said almost exactly those same words when i asked him what fallout 3 was like

[BaNa]

...Because killing everyone should be fun, right?

and yes, it should be fun. This is fallout we are talking about, the first game where you could go into a shop and: barter / steal / talk nicely / kill everybody. And the game didn't fuck with you, you still got all the loot. This is the game where you could become a casino boxing champ or a porn star. This is the game where you could shoot children in the eyes. With a Lazor gun. And don't tell me those where gimmicks. They gave us an illusion of freedom that most games lack.

[BlackLiger]

I somehow have glitched my game to give me 200 damage resistance. This game is strange when I can go 1 on 1, hand to hand with a deathclaw and win.