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Muzic
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RTS' on consoles.

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Personally I, and probably most of us, think that RTS gaming on using an xbox or a ps2/3 controller tends to well..suck.

If Sony, Microsoft or even Nintendo made usb ports that would accept any keyboard and mouse with a usb interface, would game companies make more RTS for consoles. And becuase 7th generation console hardware is getting better, would you then like to play RTS' on a console?
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doesn't ps2 have USB? ps3 must have some since it can (and does) run Linux out of the box.
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Post by Felix the Cat »

Eh. I prefer PCs, personally.

I somehow don't see anyone coming out with a good RTS for consoles. Too much focus would be placed on graphics, not enough on gameplay. That's a good approach to making an FPS but not to making an RTS.
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The thing is, the RTS has to be designed to function on a controller, since most console gamers won't have a mouse/keyboard hooked up to their console. And as soon as an RTS game is dumbed down to the point where it plays on a controller what you get is instant cancer.

The Wii might be able to run an RTS... it's pointer is WAY more up to date than what either PS3 or XBox are running for the needs of an RTS. Most hotkeys would be dropped obviously, but at least you're not navigating a cursor with a joystick/dpad.
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Post by Neddie »

My lack of hotkey use has always been abnormal as a player of RTS. I noticed this when playing the Starcraft 64 game - most people seemed to get a fifty to sixty percent performance decrease, whereas I only got hit maybe twenty or so... anyway...

Swift is right. Next thread?
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Post by hunterw »

the first rts game ever was on sega genesis

funny since as it has turned out rts basically necessitates a keyboard/mouse to play worth a damn
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Post by Felix the Cat »

Hotkeys aren't the only problem... a mouse is much more suited to RTS-style control than analog sticks.

(Well, IMO a mouse is just better than analog sticks, period...)
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Post by manored »

I think that rts on consoles would be cool, but there loads of anyoages: everthing would be harder with analog sticks to control the pointer and the huge lack of hotkeys, and consoles generally lack (or make harder) features that are really cool in rts games, like modifing the game (new maps, new units, etc) and playing online (chatting with other players too).
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Post by Muzic »

Then do it like guitar hero; you need a specialised controller to play the game. As i stated previously 'console keyboard and mouse'.
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Post by Drone_Fragger »

Games are already being dumbed down enough for the console tards, it doesn't need to be any worse.
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Man, what is up with gaming, once upon a time PC gamers and console gamers would quietly coexist and smile and wave at eachother, vaugly comforted by the similarity of their hobbies. Back in those days unless you were the most casual of casual players you were probably a total nerd anyways.

But now it's like a massive rivalry, and I hope all those console tards take a wiimote to the eye and keel over under the crushing weight of a falling Xbox/PS3.
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Post by Pressure Line »

ps2 can handle usb mouse + kb. i played Star Trek: Elite Force on the ps2 with that when i was living at mums (for a week, god was i ever glad to get out of there, no internets foar a week ;_; )
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Post by Caydr »

CnC3 for X360 got good reviews, I wonder how they did it?

Anyway, about this console/pc rivalry... I think the only thing that keeps me on PC now is RTS and modding. mm... and FPS. Hm, so in summary the only thing that keeps me on PC is that I can't play any of the games I like on consoles :-\

I think we'll all wind up making the switch one day though. It's more profitable and less difficult to make console games, and it's as simple as putting in a disc for consumers, not worrying about drivers and updates and viruses.
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Post by Muzic »

Caydr wrote:CnC3 for X360 got good reviews, I wonder how they did it?

Anyway, about this console/pc rivalry... I think the only thing that keeps me on PC now is RTS and modding. mm... and FPS. Hm, so in summary the only thing that keeps me on PC is that I can't play any of the games I like on consoles :-\

I think we'll all wind up making the switch one day though. It's more profitable and less difficult to make console games, and it's as simple as putting in a disc for consumers, not worrying about drivers and updates and viruses.
Exactly. If all my rts i played right now were on a ps3 id just buy a ps3...
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See, I tend to think in the long term it's more likely to go the other way. I think people will get bored of games that run to the duration of their disk space and start wanting games like sims, where once you buy everything you can download new furniture, or HL, where once you play everything you DL/make mods/maps, or DF where you need to generate and destroy universes on the fly. I think that fundamentally the more gaming matures the more gamers want to be part of the game and the less they are content to just idly advance the life of another random character. In a way the two are almost entirely separate drama's to be honest, but character gaming is a gateway drug that inevitably leads into design and creation gaming, a genre in which consoles are inherently flawed at handling.

Right now the consoles are dominating because the game market is less mature right now than it has been since pong came out. Gamers right now are very rarely gamers in the traditional sense, they are normal people who are discovering their own style of gaming for the first time as sociaty slowly shifts to a more tech centric way of life. As this sociaty matures and grows comfortable with the new PC gaming will pick up again, or at very least console gaming will start to look ALOT more like PC gaming.
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Post by KDR_11k »

Hoping that people get tired of cheap thrills is futile.

MS claims Halo Wars has a good control scheme since it was designed for the console but of course I haven't heard any unbiased information about it.
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unfortunately swift, i feel that gaming will likely never mature as you describe it fully (ie become as widely 'acceptable' to society as say watching tv or playing on a PS#/Wii/XBox whatever) simply due to the all pervasive view of 'anyone who knows how to and/or enjoys doing anything more complicated with a computer than turn it on and play solitare must be some sort of weirdo' in todays society.

it actually makes me sad really, that if on monday someone asked me "what did you do this weekend?" and i answered "spent all weekend working on my car, new engine is almost ready to go in" i would get a response along the lines of "thats cool man" but if i answered "spent most of the weekend modeling and coding some stuff for a game" i would get eyed with suspicion (best case scenario) or called a geek/nerd and told im wasting my time, should do something more useful etc etc.
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Post by Pressure Line »

doublepost for great justice (and to further illustrate my point)

true story:

about 3 years ago i was dating/living with this chick (first mistake) if i came home from work, grabbed a beer, and sat down in front of the tv everything would be sweet. she would continue doing whatever the hell it was she was doing, id relax (after pulling a double shift cos we needed the money) and everyone would be happy.

same scenario, one day later... i come home, grab a beer, and decide since ive been driving a truck in heavy traffic all day i have the need for speed. turn on the TV, fire up the ps2, start up GT3. before the SCEE load screen is gone theres suddenly a million things around the house that URGENTLY need doing, and couldnt possibly be put off until ive finished my beer at least.

the only difference between these two days is what i did after i got home. one involved a game, one did not.

*edit* afterthoughts... perhaps its that we are so conditioned to seeing people watch tv that it doesnt even register fully in our consious mind as an activity even slightly out of the oridinary. as soon as a computer gets fired up, its a whole different story, you are doing something different, unusual even. unfortunately i dont really see this changing... well... ever.
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Pressure Line wrote:unfortunately swift, i feel that gaming will likely never mature as you describe it fully (ie become as widely 'acceptable' to society as say watching tv or playing on a PS#/Wii/XBox whatever) simply due to the all pervasive view of 'anyone who knows how to and/or enjoys doing anything more complicated with a computer than turn it on and play solitare must be some sort of weirdo' in todays society.

it actually makes me sad really, that if on monday someone asked me "what did you do this weekend?" and i answered "spent all weekend working on my car, new engine is almost ready to go in" i would get a response along the lines of "thats cool man" but if i answered "spent most of the weekend modeling and coding some stuff for a game" i would get eyed with suspicion (best case scenario) or called a geek/nerd and told im wasting my time, should do something more useful etc etc.
Well, cars have been around for more than 100 years now, they are very much an embedded part of our lives. Computers have been around in a publically accessible form for what, 25 years? if even that? Not to mention as few as 10 years ago computers were more of a "only computer enthusiasts and businesses have them" and now large portions of the population keep one on them at nearly all times. 50 years down the road and computer technology will be so embedded into our sociaty that working on some technical problem will seem as common place as working on your car engine. Sure, there will never come a point where everyone in sociaty works with computers at that level, but everyone in sociaty doesn't know how to change oil either, and they never will. The point is right now we aren't even close to that level of computer maturity, and gaming is reflecting this in with quick plug ease of use solutions holding the dominant side of the computer entertainment market. However, there will come a day when you've got computer technology at the same sort of standard that the auto market is at. Some will tinker, some will buy high end stock, all will use. Right now the proportions are just fudgey.
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Post by Ishach »

hrm yes sociaty

you spelled a word wrong

wtf
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