I miss a main chat channel without bots

I miss a main chat channel without bots

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triton
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I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by triton » 06 Nov 2017, 01:49

We used to have a main channel, where all players could talk together, I miss that, a lot.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Silentwings » 06 Nov 2017, 08:49

You have #ba, without bots. https://github.com/spring/uberserver/bl ... l.py#L1375

Also, #main was never bot free - if you don't count the period before bots existed on the spring server. Time of death: circa 2011, cause of death: mix of human+bot advertising spam. For the last few years, Springlobby auto-joins users to #newbies, which is bot-free, and users may later choose for themselves whether to stay auto-joined there. We also act to prevent human advertising spam within #newbies.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by triton » 06 Nov 2017, 08:57

#ba is not joined by default, players needs a general DEFAULT chat channel where all players are.
Silentwings wrote:
#main was never bot free - if you don't count the period before bots existed on the spring server.
#main used to be a discussion channel, at least when we had 200-300 players connected as the same time.

I really dont understand why devs here act like all is great in a perfect world while we never had so few players left?
Maybe some decisions are bad no?
I think it is a BIG DEAL, to not have a default main channel, and I am not alone to think that.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Silentwings » 06 Nov 2017, 09:00

It is not reasonable to require a channel that is forcibly auto-joined by *all*, some games/communities do not want it.

If BA wishes BA players to chat in #ba, it is ready and waiting. If new functionality server side would help with that, I suggest working out what is wanted and asking for it. (For example: perhaps autohosts with a botflag could be given the option to force-join players to a chosen channel when they enter the autohost.)
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Forboding Angel » 06 Nov 2017, 14:13

CA spam killed #main

It was cancer before that anyway.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Jools » 10 Nov 2017, 18:49

Robophobes!
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by triton » 15 Apr 2018, 21:28

Is it possible to have players auto-join BA channel when they download BA?
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by ThinkSome » 15 Apr 2018, 23:09

New players using SpringLobby are all auto-joined to #newbies by default, which is also a bot-free channel.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by triton » 16 Apr 2018, 00:04

Which is not good enough. All BA players in only one battleroom is mostly because of that, if I had a way to talk in BA chat with ALL BA players, I would have to join the main "dsd" battleroom WAY LESS, like I was doing 10 years ago?
It seems so obvious to me, how cannot you see the truth? Or how can I be wrong so much?
Players who download BA needs to have a BA channel that they cannot close, like official "useless" channel. I think most BA players closed the newbie channel after some time.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Silentwings » 16 Apr 2018, 00:54

Silentwings wrote: If BA wishes BA players to chat in #ba, it is ready and waiting. If new functionality server side would help with that, I suggest working out what is wanted and asking for it. (For example: perhaps autohosts with a botflag could be given the option to force-join players to a chosen channel when they enter the autohost.)
Is there something stopping you working out what you want and then asking (presumably via https://github.com/spring/uberserver/issues, or just talking to host owners) if anyone wants to have/implement whatever functionality you think of?
Players who download BA needs to have a BA channel that they cannot close, like official "useless" channel
Currently, any user can exit any channel, if they choose to do so, either temporarily or permanently. I doubt there would be anything to gain by changing that. (The "official server" tab is a bit useless to non-power-users afaics, but it is not a channel and you cannot chat in it.)

Force-joining users to game specific channels has been done in the past - I remember it getting complained about. I think it was done via a lobby bot with special powers, and game specific lobby clients have certainly done it. Not sure if its currently done anywhere.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Forboding Angel » 16 Apr 2018, 06:41

triton wrote:Which is not good enough. All BA players in only one battleroom is mostly because of that, if I had a way to talk in BA chat with ALL BA players, I would have to join the main "dsd" battleroom WAY LESS, like I was doing 10 years ago?
Not a silver bullet, but perhaps a bandaid...

YOu could ask licho on the ZK server to set up a bridge between #ba and BA's Discord "Main" channel. It works really well.

As far as autojoin channels, you could distribute springlobby portable with a springlobby conf that autojoins #ba. Beware, thar be dragons, and dealing with springlobby's conf file is pretty maddening in a lot of cases.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Floris » 16 Apr 2018, 11:28

YOu could ask licho on the ZK server to set up a bridge between #ba and BA's Discord "Main" channel. It works really well.
no thanks
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Senethril » 16 Apr 2018, 18:58

Imagine the community size increase in term of number of players:

Reune the player in their own langage ll permit to establish certains points permanently to the game system:
-they ll want maybe less reune on private server because they dont dispose commands for configure a game because their level is lower than on official(any other priv community i tried they learn less and play more for fun)
-they ll meet more easily the players without discontinuity because the chat is enough invasive and not permit to remember who is who

-they ll regroup more easily teams instead of stay with minimum mates, the game mode ll certainly increase in exemples types and numbers

-Give them the choice of langage choose they want surely the imposed time of selection for participations open or close permit to garanthee they unicity

Even if they finish by create theyr own community, the only solution to use as far as players is a bot on irc instead on discord which still more free,springlobby mainteners should on its own manage and regule rooms of players auto(langage,admins status are exemple)
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by ThinkSome » 16 Apr 2018, 23:30

triton wrote:Which is not good enough. All BA players in only one battleroom is mostly because of that, if I had a way to talk in BA chat with ALL BA players, I would have to join the main "dsd" battleroom WAY LESS, like I was doing 10 years ago?
It seems so obvious to me, how cannot you see the truth? Or how can I be wrong so much?
Players who download BA needs to have a BA channel that they cannot close, like official "useless" channel. I think most BA players closed the newbie channel after some time.
For a while now I have been thinking of setting up my own builders for all OSes as there doesen't seem to be much control over the existing ones. Then I could also provide customised builds for various games that would auto-join their channels and filter out other games in the battlelist.

Another change that may greatly benefit the one-big-room situation is to join battleroom chat with the other chat windows and make it so the chat panel occupies the lower half of SL window no matter which tab (battleroom, battlelist, ...) is selected.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by AF » 03 May 2018, 20:39

The only time #main was ever worth bothering with was the day I let people spend their cookiebot cookies on weapons to attack eachother
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by smoth » 03 Oct 2018, 12:03

Gl:hf with that. Content dev egos demanded a community split, did it and now the main server is like a dead irc server. Gj!
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by PicassoCT » 08 Oct 2018, 00:41

Agreed, wishing for water doesn't make it rain. Better to have any game going, then have a huge set of ghost towns and happy devs.
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by TinaNamdev » 10 Dec 2018, 08:42

Is it possible to have players auto-join BA channel when they download BA?
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by MasterBel » 13 Dec 2018, 17:31

Probably technically possible. Most new people auto-join #newbies, though, and I don't see any reason that that isn't enough for now?
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Re: I miss a main chat channel without bots

Post by Gertz » 17 Dec 2018, 15:08

I think that's fair enough. #newbies is the best place to learn the ropes anyway, so to speak. At least that's how I look at it.
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