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Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 03 Feb 2010, 23:24
by forest_devil
is goatse a notable article?
cos goatse is on wikipedia.
maybe the power mad deletionists should aim there pointy stick elsewhere
PLS PLS PLS DONT GOTO WIKIPEDIA AND SEARCH GOATSE.
ITS INNAPROPIATE. YOUVE BEEN WARNED
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 03 Feb 2010, 23:27
by zwzsg
Goatse is far more well known than Spring. Goatse even slip through mainstream media. I'm not sure what's your point. That Wikipedia should censor porn?
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 03 Feb 2010, 23:29
by forest_devil
it should senser certain extents of porn yes.
or at least have HUGE popup warning you of what you are about to veiw
cos it freaked the hell outta me
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 03 Feb 2010, 23:31
by knorke
omfg do they also include the image?
nothing wrong with writing about it (or some sex stuff too) but lols if it comes up to some kid clicking "random article."
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 03 Feb 2010, 23:54
by bobthedinosaur
Umm, quick question: If wiki deletes the spring article, can't the article just be posted in the spring wiki? Not that you'd want to, but I mean what is the main loss if the article is deleted?
Is it traffic? Please say its traffic.
Another quick idea my wife gave me when she asked 'why the hell [am I] getting all worked up while typing on the computer?': we can start a flame war with 4chan and get a headline in encyclopedia dramatica.
Just an idea...
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 03 Feb 2010, 23:58
by Tobi
http://sander.landofsand.com/index.php?publications
Both the 2nd and 3rd journal publication link to Spring, and include even a screenshot in the paper.
EDIT:
here's a link for them
EDIT 2:
ok, let me put some references together:
- Sander Bakkes, Pieter Spronck, and Jaap van den Herik (2009). Opponent Modelling for Case-based Adaptive Game AI. Entertainment Computing. 1(1):27-37. link
- Sander Bakkes, Pieter Spronck, and Jaap van den Herik (2009). Rapid and Reliable Adaptation of Video Game AI. IEEE Transactions on Computational Intelligence and AI in Games, 1(2):93-104. link
- Guillaume Chaslot, Sander Bakkes, Istvan Szita and Pieter Spronck (>= 2008), Monte-Carlo Tree Search: A New Framework for Game AI
link
- Laurens van der Blom, Sander Bakkes and Pieter Spronck (year not found), Map-adaptive artificial intelligence for video games link
- (master thesis) Stene, Sindre Berg (Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Department of Computer and Information Science) (2006), Artificial Intelligence Techniques in Real-Time Strategy Games - Architecture and Combat Behavior link
- (bachelor thesis) T.J.A. Jansen (2007), Player Adaptive Cooperative Artificial Intelligence for RTS Games link
- ...
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 00:05
by knorke
Is it traffic? Please say its traffic.
I think unless spring is also in one of those wikipedia lists like "list of free rts", "list of video game remakes" etc. not many potential players will come from the wiki article.
If wiki deletes the spring article, can't the article just be posted in the spring wiki? Not that you'd want to, but I mean what is the main loss if the article is deleted?
To save the article you mean? Imo in its current state its not worth saving. Also I think when something is deleted you can not just recreate the article because it would be seen as an "edit war."
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 00:08
by bobthedinosaur
I meant in spring's wiki. not the main wiki
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 00:30
by SirMaverick
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 00:45
by Neddie
I'd say that was a worthwhile post then. I'm working on the articles locally, and I'll bring them up when they're useful.
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 01:11
by Pxtl
Realistically, Spring's wikipedia page should be blissfully short, since very little that can be said about Spring can be referenced.
I mean, the basic history can referenced with comments from the SY's themselves (originally intended to implement TA and SWTA content as a mid-step to developing their own game) and has developed to be more general-purpose. Notable mods include KP (for research reasons), PURE (commercial), BA (the de-facto standard of Spring), SWTA (for past fame). Us a KP screenshot or an old Star Wars Spring screenshot.
That's it. No laundry-list of features unless you can find a good article that mentions them. The current article reads like an advertisement.
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 02:24
by Neddie
The current article is poorly written and boring. If it is an advertisement, it is a very poor one.
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 12:49
by Spawn_Retard
i could write a paper on spring for my programming degree, would this be enough :D
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 04 Feb 2010, 14:40
by Peet
Spawn_Retard wrote:programming degree
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 05 Feb 2010, 01:53
by Cabbage
Tobi wrote:http://sander.landofsand.com/index.php?publications
Both the 2nd and 3rd journal publication link to Spring, and include even a screenshot in the paper.
EDIT:
here's a link for them
EDIT 2:
ok, let me put some references together:
- Sander Bakkes, Pieter Spronck, and Jaap van den Herik (2009). Opponent Modelling for Case-based Adaptive Game AI. Entertainment Computing. 1(1):27-37. link
- Sander Bakkes, Pieter Spronck, and Jaap van den Herik (2009). Rapid and Reliable Adaptation of Video Game AI. IEEE Transactions on Computational Intelligence and AI in Games, 1(2):93-104. link
- Guillaume Chaslot, Sander Bakkes, Istvan Szita and Pieter Spronck (>= 2008), Monte-Carlo Tree Search: A New Framework for Game AI
link
- Laurens van der Blom, Sander Bakkes and Pieter Spronck (year not found), Map-adaptive artificial intelligence for video games link
- (master thesis) Stene, Sindre Berg (Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Department of Computer and Information Science) (2006), Artificial Intelligence Techniques in Real-Time Strategy Games - Architecture and Combat Behavior link
- (bachelor thesis) T.J.A. Jansen (2007), Player Adaptive Cooperative Artificial Intelligence for RTS Games link
- ...
Weee that sander bloke wanted one of my vids! Does that make me some sort of scientist?
And why not just get rid of most of the mod list and beef up the main engine part? Why spring can support X units due to Y etc, map formats etc etc, details on limiations..
So long as the article isn't filled with too much self praise and is a little sterile, i imagine the wiki gestapo would probably (hopefully) leave it alone in future?
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 05 Feb 2010, 09:36
by Neddie
Essentially, I'm structuring my replacement to follow the example set down by other, commercial engines, as well as games used for AI testing.
This means...
Overview
History
Engine Design, Features & Milestones
> A
> ...
> Z
Engine Use
> AI Testing
> Commercial Games
> Non-Commercial Games
Games Using
> Early
> ...
> Late
Games In Development
> A
> ...
> Z
Engine Tools
See Also
External Links
For games I am including a variety, but will only write articles for those which have, in themselves, some notability. I am also considering making an article for Wolfe Games, but Argh has not gotten back to me.
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 05 Feb 2010, 16:04
by Saktoth
bobthedinosaur wrote:I'm in college. I can write a serious paper on the spring engine for my serious class, and maybe get some one to give the thumbs up for a serious research project on spring's seriousness.
Please do! D:
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 06 Feb 2010, 01:13
by Sefidel
A) obviously a disgruntled spring player. What probably happened is that the guy on wikipedia tried to play spring. Then because he was a 1-bar he got kicked from battles, and rudely belittled for his 1 bar status.
B) Links to youtube videos, forum comments etc, are not valid resources.
C) There are public "news services" that allow you to post your own articles. This is commonly used to increase SEO etc, but it should work for our situation.
Re: Wikipedia
Posted: 06 Feb 2010, 01:51
by Pxtl
@Sefi
I've seen forum comments referenced when they're coming directly from the developers (ie posts by Van Rossum about Python, Carmack about Quake) particularly when they're stating history/intent and not specific features etc. - obviously when bragging about engine features, using first-party commentary probably isn't appropriate.
That is to say, when listing the history of the Spring project, I think listing forum comments from the SY's and later developers would probably pass muster, provided the rationale is explained in the Discussion page.