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Getting pissed.

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dojeh_
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Getting pissed.

Post by dojeh_ » 17 Jan 2009, 21:39

Well, i noticed that player start now playing for win, not for fun.
Thats my main reason why i stop playing spring now, im sad of it hearing player say ... combomb is valid start, i had to combomb (in 1st 2mins o_O). Sure its a valid start - for example to make airlab and combomb some one @ start and suck his metal, but is it fun? Do u play games for fun or just for "win"? DUDES USE YOUR SKILLS TO WIN A GAME AND NOT A "FREE NUCE"...

Hope its gona change somedays ;)

laterz.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Regret » 17 Jan 2009, 21:59

Goodbye newbie.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by imbaczek » 17 Jan 2009, 22:09

build AA? it's not like it's uncounterable.

or play CA.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Gota » 17 Jan 2009, 22:40

Making a game that allows some type of gameplay and than crying about people using it is not legitimate..just patch the game so that this behavior is contained or only becomes viable in certain situations..
Or...make a clear rule to forbid a certain behavior..
If you don't do either(or cant) don't complain about people using a certain tactic..
The point of XTA is to kill your opponent so there is no playing for fun or playing to win.
The fun is using units to win you opponent.
How am i suppose to guess when i can use my com as a bomb and when i cant?
its all too vague.
XTA players have been complaining about combombing for ages.
Change the mod so its not easy or not possible..
Make the com do reduced damage to other coms or force the mod to be played using only com ends or think of some other solution..CA made coms boring.
That's one option,making the mod be less com dependent.

If you want it to be com dependant than reduce com explosion or make it EMP or add a corpse to it so that a player combombing will think twice before going to your door and combombing cause he will leave wrackages closer to your part.
there are solutions...but saying "dont use a tactic when i dont think its nice to use it is not one of them".
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Noruas » 17 Jan 2009, 22:50

You make me feel guilty every time dojeh!
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by vampi2 » 18 Jan 2009, 15:33

Actually, you don't say what mod you play.
BA is a combomb mod. CA is probably worse (you can't really defend in CA). It's a default in 'thoses who make Spring" (ever read the Spring wiki article for Turtle strategy ? Wikipedia-grade neutrality - that mean no neutrality at all, of course).

Others mods are more advanced :

You can't Combomb in NOTA, for example (because Coms are... not mobiles).

In Final Frontiers, Com are big starships well armed but they don't really damage around when exploding. Of course, as the mod is young, that mean the fact their is no comblast push some players to use the terrific "com+mass-healer" rush for early kill the game.

In BA, it's harder to fend combombs, but don't forget Three defenders insta-kill a transport.
Of course, the better course for stop this tactic is to remember TA and make, again, the Com a unit really important.
Upgrading his nanolathing power for example, make probably players less willing to sacrifiying it.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by KDR_11k » 18 Jan 2009, 15:40

In CA the com modes that don't explode much are pretty popular, bombing with those is stupid.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by lurker » 18 Jan 2009, 15:48

AS DEADLY AS AN ENERGY STORAGE

FEAR THE BOMB
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by dojeh_ » 18 Jan 2009, 15:55

in my opinion coms in ca cant be worser and useless and are just fucked up esp with the boost @ start... but k only its my feeling.

nah player need more moral imagination itself in games, its not rules wich makes games playable, Rules make games not enjoyable too... imo

You wouldnt go in rl on street and kill a few people cuz you have the possibilty to do that, or would u? ;P
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Gota » 18 Jan 2009, 16:05

??
hmm lets think of a society without laws..would people kill each other steal and rape?yes,they would thats why rules are there...
Dojeh seriously how can you define when a combomb is in good or bad taste?If its always bad in your opinion than you want it removed?If its only bad in certain situations than what are they?define them and tell us...
Fact is its impossible to define them in a way that leaves no doubts...
One can claim a combomb was in good taste and another can say it wasn't...
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by dojeh_ » 18 Jan 2009, 16:19

thats the funny side u cant define "rules" or make lua to prevent combomb and having fun playing besides :)
That what i said pl should have a minimum of moral imagination ;)

to respect people, the aa question, u cant place every where were a combomb could be 3 aa towers to prevent combomb cuz u invest 3*100 metal @ base and front ... m what is missing to build units :P

Its more important to respect people and not just be funny and make combomb ;)

what do u think if all would always combomb in eery match? funny games? ;)
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Hoi » 18 Jan 2009, 16:42

Are there really that much combombs? when I was a noob I played lots of dsd, tabula and speedmetal, and maybe 1/30 games there was a combomb.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by dojeh_ » 18 Jan 2009, 17:07

^well :) im xta player and in my eys a commander is god! :)

when i played this weakende 12 BA game in all those games with differnet players i got combombed in first 6 minuts <_<.. in ^1 even in first 2 mins... and he said to me .. it was neccecary ... ?
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Gota » 18 Jan 2009, 17:22

Dont play 8v8 DSD games...in the tight porcy compat that results out of the number of players combombs are a must.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Otherside » 18 Jan 2009, 17:37

CA com bomb free for a year :]
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by caldera » 18 Jan 2009, 17:37

I'd like to see a statistic but combomb usage has increased massively. Playing against regret f.e. means having to suffer at least from 3 combombs...its not really fun but i think we have to live with it, its just another hype, like the nukerush or flashspam.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Gota » 18 Jan 2009, 17:40

its a result of allowing games of 8v8..thats the real hype...they are usually complete shit and people constantly complain but the hype of more players is so great that people keep playing huge games than complain about stuff like combombing which is obviously a result of such big player numbers on a medium sized map.
In short the combombing is not the problem.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Spawn_Retard » 18 Jan 2009, 17:46

Otherside wrote:CA com bomb free for a year :]
Thats why people dont play CA but you CA devs.

you have to realise that people actually love combombs, and thus keep doing it, it makes people laugh when you ruin peoples lives on spring because you guys BAWWWW way to much over it.
TL;DR YSOSERIOSS

Of course, ive never combombed in my life, because im a good player.

Anyway, bye nojer.

And nothing of worth was lost.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by Regret » 18 Jan 2009, 17:47

caldera wrote:usage has increased massively.
I'm so proud to be the main factor in this.
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Re: Getting pissed.

Post by caldera » 18 Jan 2009, 17:47

yea gota, I'm sure satirik compiles a lobby for u which has hardcoded battle filter allowing only to see 2 player max games.
8v8 isnt the problem, we had 8v8 longer than these massive combombs...
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