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@smoth: where do you get that wisdom from?
all pages are cached.
all pages are cached.
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I am saying if flozi's post is correct. Please don't take that tone, I am not against you here
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All and any add revenue should go directly to licho.jj wrote:You should read the other forum about the springfiles ads. I'm getting tired of this...But you're on licho's server and keep the money you make from ads?
If you're self sustaining, then move over so we can have a dedicated Spring file server for the community and ease the load.
Should i ask Licho to put big SPRINGFILES next to the money im donating?
All and any non spring content should not be on licho's server - Regardless of whether or not is has a bearing on the performance issues.
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Im not against you either. Sorry about that.
But it's not true. The pages are all cached. so only a few apache download requests are made for page viewing. The heavy PHP load is avoided with this. The online games don't give load either. Except that they are using bandwidth which is available.
But it's not true. The pages are all cached. so only a few apache download requests are made for page viewing. The heavy PHP load is avoided with this. The online games don't give load either. Except that they are using bandwidth which is available.
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There has been some concern expressed about overall storage. I have not heard any concerns beyond this.
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No need to divert it to pm.jj wrote:At flozi, sended you a pm.
All money should go to licho merely because, as it stands, he effectively stands for the community as a whole. It would be more accurate to say 'any and all ad revenue should go to community server costs'.
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So, if i get $2000 from ad revenue it should all go to licho?
Why are you afraid to discuss this face to face?
I think im going to ignore you from now. You just want a flamewar
Why are you afraid to discuss this face to face?
I think im going to ignore you from now. You just want a flamewar
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It should go to the Spring community. There have been discussions about making a foundation for such donations. Such talk would no doubt be accelerated if there were such a revenue to be put into it!jj wrote:So, if i get $2000 from ad revenue it should all go to licho?
Why are you afraid to discuss this in public?Why are you afraid to discuss this face to face?
Far from it. I only want what is best for Spring as a whole. I do not believe personal profit, be it from selling half-baked, unsupported games or from advert space, furthers that aim.I think im going to ignore you from now. You just want a flamewar
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I don't think that is his intention jj but I don't want to be shot for being mediator so imma step out stage right.
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To me the impression comes, because of the "missing single intent" of the site. The site does not offer/advertise 1 thing, but many. Then it's obvious that the owner has not produced all those offerings himself and it doesn't call itself a "directory" - so what is its intent - and what does it want from me? I get suspicious quickly....jj wrote:Why do you think it would be a adware/malware site? because of the dark colors?
+1very_bad_soldier wrote:I like that misalignment on the download button.
Huh? In my view (FF5) it's not. If my screen is 1920x1200 it's the first in the "Downloads" section, being in the third row from top (middle of screen). If I look at the site at 1280x800 the spring link isn't even visible.jj wrote:Also spring is always at the top of the list at the homepage.
That's interesting... have the site visitors risen since the change?jj wrote:Since the other games give extra visitors it is likely that some will click on the spring link. So its likely that spring gets extra players because of the non-spring content.
IMHO SPRINGfiles.com should host only spring files. But the intent to bring more players to spring by attracting them on the web is a good one.
So here are my suggestions in case the "other games" can stay(*):
* 1st of all make spring links + content take the upper half of the homepage. I like how spring is presented visually on /spring (text needs work), so make it a little smaller and put it where "online games" is.
* only list RTS games. That way the site attracts only ppl that are actually interested in that genre - the others we're not interested in anyway. Also if you can find someone to maintain a sidebar with "free RTS news" it could morph into a "hub/portal" - attracting more ppl that have interest in our genre.
* regarding the search function: I also find it rather confusing how it is now. Maybe there could be a toggle button to switch between searches of "spring-only content" and "all games"? (With default to spring ofc :)
BTW: I like the "Quickly find maps by..." sidebar.
(*) I have no idea who/how this is decided upon. I find the spring community infrastructure organization to be quite in-transparent. I have no clue who makes decisions, based on what, who gets informed and there does not seem to be any documentation. But I'm a noob here and don't want to rant, maybe it's all OK as it is, as it has worked for years...
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You guys seem to be forgetting that domain names are just pointers.
springfiles.com
supcomfiles.com
starcrap2files.com
trolololpornfiles.com
can all be pointing to the same place and it is very easy to make the users completely oblivious of this fact.
Bandwidth isn't an issue. Server load is. Caching greatly reduces that server load. Will all the other shit that the engine devs have going on on that server I imagine that springfiles PHP load is fairly minimal.
So lets get our history straight... Springfiles belongs to JJ. JJ's server takes hit after hit after hit on BW issues and community whines for his property (the backend) to be moved to the spring server. Now you lot are trying to tell him that the money he gets from ads on his domain name on his backend should all go to the spring community?
That's bullshit. He should pay for the HDD space that he essentially rents, and for the cpu and mem load that he uses and that is it. His software, his profits. Jesus you guys are fucked in the head.
The fact that he donates to spring on top of springfiles (which is itself a rather huge donation) is commendable.
In short, Shut the fuck up.
springfiles.com
supcomfiles.com
starcrap2files.com
trolololpornfiles.com
can all be pointing to the same place and it is very easy to make the users completely oblivious of this fact.
Bandwidth isn't an issue. Server load is. Caching greatly reduces that server load. Will all the other shit that the engine devs have going on on that server I imagine that springfiles PHP load is fairly minimal.
So lets get our history straight... Springfiles belongs to JJ. JJ's server takes hit after hit after hit on BW issues and community whines for his property (the backend) to be moved to the spring server. Now you lot are trying to tell him that the money he gets from ads on his domain name on his backend should all go to the spring community?
That's bullshit. He should pay for the HDD space that he essentially rents, and for the cpu and mem load that he uses and that is it. His software, his profits. Jesus you guys are fucked in the head.
The fact that he donates to spring on top of springfiles (which is itself a rather huge donation) is commendable.
In short, Shut the fuck up.
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Someone pmed me with some relevant info and I replied with some. Imo they should post their pm to me and my reply as all of it is relevant to this thread imo and would have the power to sway some opinion.
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More bandwith usage means more server load. Bottleneck is the disk + ram on this server. If ram is full, nothing can be cached any more, so load horrible increases... If more files are on the server, there will be more stuff in file-caches, so maybe there is to few ram for the important stuff.Forboding Angel wrote: Bandwidth isn't an issue. Server load is. Caching greatly reduces that server load. Will all the other shit that the engine devs have going on on that server I imagine that springfiles PHP load is fairly minimal.
yes, the domain belongs to him, the files doesn't. you also forgot the mirrors: http://springfiles.com/content/aboutSo lets get our history straight... Springfiles belongs to JJ. JJ's server takes hit after hit after hit on BW issues and community whines for his property (the backend) to be moved to the spring server. Now you lot are trying to tell him that the money he gets from ads on his domain name on his backend should all go to the spring community?
this server is often overloaded... we get crashes because of the overloaded server, many get kicked from lobby-server because of timeouts, ...That's bullshit. He should pay for the HDD space that he essentially rents, and for the cpu and mem load that he uses and that is it. His software, his profits. Jesus you guys are fucked in the head.
maybe there are other reasons why this server is overloaded, but currently nobody can say whats the cause. so all stuff that can be removed/shutdown should be removed from this server.
see also http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=26543
if these problems weren't i guess nobody would complain about non-spring related stuff.
please only make forum-posts when you are calm....
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+1smoth wrote:Truthfully I've no issue with him making a little money. I have a major issue with non spring files using springs struggling server.
Server disconnects, springie latency or dc.
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I have a good idea.
I should start a adwords campain that links directly to the spring page.
A adwords campain for Spring itself. First the pages needs updates though. With nice screenshots and info so its not a noobtrap.
I would give many more players to spring i guess. And it hasnt been done before, so it would be a cool experiment :)
I should start a adwords campain that links directly to the spring page.
A adwords campain for Spring itself. First the pages needs updates though. With nice screenshots and info so its not a noobtrap.
I would give many more players to spring i guess. And it hasnt been done before, so it would be a cool experiment :)
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Linking to the spring page is not a good advertising campaign for spring as a game (whatever spring as a game means).
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l couldn't be much calmer when I made that post. Might wanna consider. not taking everything so damn seriouslyabma wrote:
please only make forum-posts when you are calm.
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Written language is piss poor at communicating tone. Vocal intonation, facial expression and body language are all lost. The way you write comes across as very agressive.Forboding Angel wrote:l couldn't be much calmer when I made that post. Might wanna consider. not taking everything so damn seriously
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my impression about the site is pretty much exactly the same like that of very_bad_soldier. addware site or similar-to-popular-url site.
i wanted to download a map for spring, and after 10min on the site, i still did not have it. partly because the site is so slow, and partly cause of its structure. it took me a while to get to the site roughly representing "Spring - Maps". after ~5min of loading that page, it turned out that it is a list of all/~1000 maps with thumbnails and description, and i was not able to see a form-field for searching for maps.
it was not intuitive on the old site either, but it is less so now (plus slower).
i wanted to download a map for spring, and after 10min on the site, i still did not have it. partly because the site is so slow, and partly cause of its structure. it took me a while to get to the site roughly representing "Spring - Maps". after ~5min of loading that page, it turned out that it is a list of all/~1000 maps with thumbnails and description, and i was not able to see a form-field for searching for maps.
it was not intuitive on the old site either, but it is less so now (plus slower).