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Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 17:20
by TradeMark
im not sure should we add more polys in the units that are spammed a lot.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 22:58
by Caydr
We've been over that a billion times, virtually any graphics card you can buy at any price, high or low, will laugh at anything we lowly spring modders can throw at it.
1,000 poly fleas would be a good starting point. The particle effects (from their explosions) and pathfinding are of greater detriment to your FPS than a few ridiculously-detailed units.
One time I spawned... was it 500 units at 7500 polies each? everything was fine till they tried to move. Tried the same test with 500 units at 150 polies apiece and the results were identical.
The only real risk of higher detail is the amount of time it takes to texture it.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 23:06
by TradeMark
well, also the point is in that you cant even see all the details ingame... so it would be total waste of time :P
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 23:37
by Caydr
Agreed
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 23:38
by el_matarife
Do you still have all the models from your attempt to remake everything? It'd be great if you could post them for us all to use.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 23:40
by Caydr
Nah, they were really, really overdetailed compared to what I've seen so far. That bit about 1000 polies for a flea wasn't too far off. Consistency is always more important than quality.
Besides, you guys should really be making original content, my stuff is all just copied from TA. It doesn't solve the problem, just makes it prettier.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 23:45
by TradeMark
Maybe we could morph the models slowly into something else.. so people wont notice difference :D
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Jul 2009, 23:53
by Caydr
Amazing to still see you around here TM. Looks like it's just you, me, and a few moderators now.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 21 Jul 2009, 04:36
by el_matarife
It would be a great temporary step though. You'd make by far the biggest contribution so maybe we would scale all the models to match yours instead.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 21 Jul 2009, 16:17
by MR.D
eh hem..
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 21 Jul 2009, 16:23
by Pxtl
@Caydr
there's a second project to re-make OTA units with new names and new styles. That project is Complete Annihilation. They're separate projects with separate goals.
This project is intending to convert BA from ripped art to a fan-game.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 21 Jul 2009, 22:16
by Caydr
Why is CA even called CA? It's incomplete and it has nothing to do with * Annihilation. Get your own name, freaking barnacles.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 21 Jul 2009, 23:42
by TradeMark
CA models sucks, dont use them... i beg you.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 22 Jul 2009, 00:17
by Pxtl
Caydr wrote:Why is CA even called CA? It's incomplete and it has nothing to do with * Annihilation. Get your own name, freaking barnacles.
Because, like you said, it's incomplete. Including the name. They had a vote for the new name, but I forget the result.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 22 Jul 2009, 00:42
by YokoZar
MR.D wrote:eh hem..
Don't think I'm not 10,000% grateful to you for the work you've already done, by the way
Which reminds me I still need to put a few of your models into this...
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 22 Jul 2009, 13:02
by hunterw
hunterw wrote:guys the solution is simple - just remake the old units with the same proportions but with more polys and UV mapping. hell, you can get away with using most of the old textures even - they just need to be UV mapped and they will stop looking goofy. OTA models' texturing is vertex-based and awful looking, but most textures themselves honestly aren't that bad.
this is the way to go since you can replace a single model and it won't look out of place and shitty, and by the end everything will still be cohesive and OTA styled but with modern polycount and texturing.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 22 Jul 2009, 18:15
by NOiZE
+1 to hunter,
it sounds like a shitload of work though
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 22 Jul 2009, 22:29
by Caydr
BTW, I've spent a good deal of time re-making the OTA textures in high res. As the person quoted above pointed out, they're actually pretty decent designs, just stretched to hell at present. Unlike my models, I could see myself sharing those textures at some point.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 23 Jul 2009, 01:22
by REVENGE
Caydr wrote:BTW, I've spent a good deal of time re-making the OTA textures in high res. As the person quoted above pointed out, they're actually pretty decent designs, just stretched to hell at present. Unlike my models, I could see myself sharing those textures at some point.
This combined with stuff that will come from TAXS and a good UV map doover with reflection textures will give us a shiny new TA.
Scripts could also be improved.
Re: Replacing the models with something beautiful and free
Posted: 20 Aug 2009, 00:26
by Super Mario
Are there any process with this project at all?