So I've been learning how to make maps, and I felt like remaking Castles. Castles had a heap of cool stuff- a nice defensive fort feel, a decent 4-way FFA map, which we don't have enough of, while still being viable for teams, really soft sand that really shows up deformation and different deformation rates between its brick and its sand so that you can sometimes have bridges stretching intact into a totally destroyed (or now underwater) landscape.
Of course it had stupidly epic metal in the centre, which was underwater and hard to get into but always won the game, the castles were very spider and air vulnerable from all angles, it had a cloud metal map, and its defensive walls were often hard to use effectively.
I've been using Spring map editor because it is so incredibly simple and I am an impossible noob, sorry Behe. I've tried to get into mapping a dozen times but the tools always take too long to adapt to and there was no streamlined export process, SME just made it too simple.
Anyway, one thing I really love is (KaiserJ's?) preset pieces. They are perfect for a thing like Castles, and if you know how to use them, they can do amazing things to prevent your ground LoD from stuffing up your sharp edges, another problem that Castles had in spades. This is one of the reasons for all the black, it blends into the water and hides the LoD, but the only reason this is possible is the way the preset pieces work:
You can see the ramp starting to stuff up (and just how low the detail really is!) but the turrets stay intact.
I also didn't bother baking in any shadows or shading, because this map is all about deformation: I used some harsh sun settings and a lot of fine heightmap detail so that the landscape can really react dynamically.
Anyway, feedback from more experienced mappers is appreciated.
Last edited by Saktoth on 18 Mar 2012, 13:25, edited 1 time in total.
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43 Location: Raegquitting Spring on 04/24/12
This is gorgeous! However, you know what my next comment will be... That's right
Y U NO SSMF???
Tbh, using sme for settign up the heightmap/metal/texture is fine, but imo you would be a lot better off using the techniques listed in http://springrts.com/wiki/Map_development (I rewrote it all recently), and the end result would be fantastic.
Kaisers prefabs are great but the sides are empty black, so I would suggest pulling the texture into gimp or photoshop and putting a dark grey concrete texture on it. Doesn't need to be fancy, just greyish noise, darker than the tops of the castles (for purposes of looking shaded of sorts).
This is a great remake though. I like it quite a lot (that's saying quite a lot coming from me because I despised the original castles map
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43 Location: Raegquitting Spring on 04/24/12
Well let me be honest, w/o the skybox I would think it was ugly (no ssmf really hampers it), but with, it's just so pretty. Simple, deserty, and more important, it LOOKS like fun.
Yeah, i mucked it up (I don't even know how so many people managed to actually see the correct version, or maybe they are just juding from the pictures).
I'll be releasing a new version soon, where jumpers cannot jump onto the turrets from the low ground, the middle hills are slightly flatter, the middle oasis is land-pathable, the turrets all have sloped (non-black) edges, etc.
Anyway, what exactly would I do with SSMF here? Or would not changing it at all and making it an SSMF really improve it?
Joined: 22 Feb 2006, 01:02 Location: cheap kitchen
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Kaisers prefabs are great but the sides are empty black, so I would suggest pulling the texture into gimp or photoshop and putting a dark grey concrete texture on it.
The sides of prefabs are textured. I think the sides appear black because of how Spring renders underwater terrain: It seems the watercolor influences terrain texture and on sharp cliffs the over/under waterline is not always excact due to LOD and bla. So parts that are actually over water can get recolored by mistake. This map has black water -> black color on the cliffs that are in water. On this map I had something similiar: http://h13.abload.de/img/giantassclawthingmctb.gif (warning: slightly disgusting commander in background, only have this picture where effect is visible The vertical wall has a grey texture but Spring colors it green/blue-ish due to its proximity to water. Without water, the wall has its normal color.
No, that black was deliberate, because the walls are perfectly straight, any texture would warp as the walls got slopier, picking up more and more of the texture from the water area. If its all black, no warping.
New version is going to have sloped eges, -with- texture. Thus:
Joined: 17 Nov 2005, 02:43 Location: Raegquitting Spring on 04/24/12
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No, that black was deliberate, because the walls are perfectly straight, any texture would warp as the walls got slopier, picking up more and more of the texture from the water area. If its all black, no warping.
New version is going to have sloped eges, -with- texture. Thus:
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I've tried to get into mapping a dozen times but the tools always take too long to adapt to and there was no streamlined export process, SME just made it too simple.
