What happened to collisionSphereScale = 1,?

[Forboding Angel]

I DON"T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I WANT THEM TO BE INGAME! I WANT THEM TO BE THE SAME AS I FUCKING SET IN UPSPRING BUT THOSE VALUES DON"T MATCH UP EITHER!!!

I take issue
with the idiocy
of scaling down all aircraft arbitrarily
and then NOT GIVING AN EASY WAY TO CHANGE IT BACK!?!?!?!
No!
Instead
I have to go through and get the fucking volume of every fucking aircraft
just because some dev thought he was clever
It's been a known problem for upwards of 4 years
and regardless of any efforts to get it changed
we get ignored
this is why there is fucking tension betwen content devs and engine devs!
[14:54:39] <[Evo]Forboding_Angel> *cleansing sigh*

And then these thin skinned idiots wonder why I come on the forums and start ripping the engine devs a new asshole after I've just spent 8 hours cleaning a mess that they caused!

YEAH, YOU BET I"M FUCKING PISSED!

If you don't like me being upset about it, tough shit, cry me a fucking river. I have a very good reason to be extremely fucking pissed because I just fucked away an entire day on this stupid bullshit!

It's wouldn't be AS bad if the volumes matched the radius in upspring, but they're nowhere close! Jesus fucking christ...

[Forboding Angel]

Ok... Since the devs are allergic to fixing gaping bugs because they might affect BA... I propose a compromise.

Add collisionSphereScale = 1, back in, so that we can add it to unitdefs post (along with all the other engine bugs that have to get fixed by lua) and be done with it.

Fair enough?

That way, people like me don't have to spend days or weeks trying to deal with stupid kludges embedded into the engine.

[smoth]

just because some idiot dev thought he was clever
....
this is why there is fucking tension betwen content devs and engine devs!

you are not helping by calling the engine devs idiots

[knorke]

It's wouldn't be AS bad if the volumes matched the radius in upspring, but they're nowhere close!

They are ~50% the radius.
It is probally some stupid hack that was seemed nessecary 9001 years ago. Like the waterline+5 thing that caused subs to be above water some time ago.
Yeah so basically it sucks and was a stupid idea to solve it like that but now what. Probally was done because nobody else would do it in a better way.

I WANT THEM TO BE THE SAME AS I FUCKING SET IN UPSPRING BUT THOSE VALUES DON"T MATCH UP EITHER

and I want textures to look ingame like in Upspring and also want a threesome with Natalie Portmann and Dirk Bach.
I can make neither happen/fix so I just live with it.
ie "flip uv map" or set doubled radius in Upspring.
Both sucks a bit but is not that hard.

or try boxxy, maybe that works (did not test on aircraft)
http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=24882

[Forboding Angel]

Seriously, ask yourselves...

Why is it necessary for me to have to go into epic raeg mode (oh and believe me, this time I am livid), in order for this sort of shit to receive any attention?

Flozi is a perfect example of "Asking Nicely" getting nowhere.

We all have known from the start that it's a big problem, but with the previous tag it was an easy fix so no one made too many bones about it (fixed by flozi), but then the fix was removed and replaced with a useful feature for sizing hitspheres and boxes and such, but it actually makes the problem worse, because no longer is there a quick and easy to way to fix it.

So why are the engine devs blatantly ignoring problems like this?

@knorke, I grabbed boxxy, but while it will be useful in the future, I don't want to have to resort to putting boxes on aircraft (thanks for the tip tho).

[smoth]

Why is it necessary for me to have to go into epic raeg mode (oh and believe me, this time I am livid), in order for this sort of shit to receive any attention?

it isn't necessary.

[knorke]

boxxy is named boxxy but also works with cylinders and spheres

just to make this clear..the solution is imo not to bring back
collisionSphereScale = 1
that is just a hack to get around another hack.
Aircraft should just use 100% volumes, like any other unit. Yes, it will break existing mods but this would be something where it makes sense imo and fixing all airplane models should not take too long. And all future mods with airplanes will be thankfull.

[Forboding Angel]

Yes, it will break existing mods

What mods? BA?

My heart bleeds.

[knorke]

no, all mods with aircraft.
which is like, all.
But as i said, imo worth it because lots of other things will probally break anyway etc.

[Forboding Angel]

How would it break anything? All it does is change the hitsphere size to the shape that the creator intended it to be in the first place. If anything, it will fix shit.

Why is it necessary for me to have to go into epic raeg mode (oh and believe me, this time I am livid), in order for this sort of shit to receive any attention?

it isn't necessary.

I completely disagree. Because of my tenacity, no other newbie moddev will read this thread and have any illusions about exactly what is happening, because according to the first 3 replies, you, knorke and flozi were all completely wrong about how collisionVolumeScales = "x y z", works towards fixing half scaled hitspheres. I just saved newbie moddevs a lot of frustration and hot blooded man tears.

[smoth]

You just alienated the guy who would have helped you.

[Forboding Angel]

I didn't alienate you, I simply disagreed with your statement.

[smoth]

I have my disagreement with the devs of the engine about the way they handle some things but I do not feel the path you are taking to get a solution is a good one. It may work a few times but you are killing a chicken to get it's eggs.

[AF]

Passers by by don't help screaming angry people in need

[smoth]

he isn't in NEED.

[Forboding Angel]

Well gee smoth, it's been broken since the beginning of time, and the engine devs refuse to fix it. What is your solution?

[abma]

https://github.com/spring/spring/commit ... 61959e7f0d

[knorke]

now the balls are perfectly sized!

[Forboding Angel]

Thanks Abma

[cain]

I have some sparse memories about that:

I recall that it started as a legacy from original ta models, kept for balancing because back when everything can shot everything a heavy cruisers was pretty capable of shooting down entire fleets of bombers due to his precision and area of effect of his shells.

I think it's less of a problem now, as most mod restricts air unit targeting.