Chinese high end CPUs

[Licho]

Cheesecan you should not lecture person who actually lived in communistic country during communism.

Even poor country can afford lots of stuff if the resources are distributed equally and not wasted on useless stuff. Do you know how much resource expensive millions of suburban houses or millions of huge cars and other consumer goods are?

Do you know how much from the price of an MRI, CT or medicine is development/licensing as opposed to actual manufacturing? In such countries all that matters is manufacturing cost.

You are probably aware that very poor semi-despotic country like Cuba has better health stats than USA.

Also you should realize that countries can have vastly undervalued currency. Always look at PPP but even that can be skewed.. in real communistic countries its GDP is not even measured. There were no such stats. Whole "economy" might be completely incompatibile with currency thats simply not tradeable, internal "market" thats very opaque and supply limited and huge gray sector.
In some types of economy "money" dont make much sense.

[PicassoCT]

If you are against something, that doesent automatically put you into a labbelled box. Even just natiolists who prefer to dwell in splendid isolation can be against free trade, which doesent make them automatically comunists. And just because it doesent work, running against the human nature with all its little chieftains longing for a empire, at tribe, a company of there own, doesent mean that capitalism is any better in the longterm. The pillow a capitalist sits upon is made of the skin of his decendants. But well, thats a lot of talk, lets look at the oilprice and prepare for the walk.

http://www.wallstreet-online.de/rohstoffe/oelpreis

2012. The year we should have had nuclear fusion and nano recyclers.



If sience doesent keept its promises. And humanity keeps them by consuming and multiplying, guess what happens?
Fucking 2012, well they still got a a day, to put those fusion plants onto the green fields. Hope dies hard, but if it dies, it sure going to take all the apes with it that invested into one plan for the future only.

[Cheesecan]

Cheesecan you should not lecture person who actually lived in communistic country during communism.

Even poor country can afford lots of stuff if the resources are distributed equally and not wasted on useless stuff. Do you know how much resource expensive millions of suburban houses or millions of huge cars and other consumer goods are?

Do you know how much from the price of an MRI, CT or medicine is development/licensing as opposed to actual manufacturing? In such countries all that matters is manufacturing cost.

You are probably aware that very poor semi-despotic country like Cuba has better health stats than USA.

Also you should realize that countries can have vastly undervalued currency. Always look at PPP but even that can be skewed.. in real communistic countries its GDP is not even measured. There were no such stats. Whole "economy" might be completely incompatibile with currency thats simply not tradeable, internal "market" thats very opaque and supply limited and huge gray sector.
In some types of economy "money" dont make much sense.

When have I lectured you? I only posed some questions. Sure things can be manufactured very cheaply when you take out profit. But China is not a technological leader so whatever they manufacture will be subpar compared to what they could import. They are copying everything so they can be self sufficient.

Soviet did good research and was a technological leader in its time. Not long ago I was interested in a field where a lot of the research was from 60s and 70s Soviet union. This says a lot about how capitalism can stall innovation in some areas. Just take a simple thing like the fact that we are lucky to have alternating current, at one time a greedy capitalist tried to convince the world we should have direct current because he owned that. He went to great lengths to try and destroy ac. You know the story since the father of AC is from your neighborhood.

My findings are really just observations from visiting China. I thought they couldn't possibly have a good public sector before I went there. In some small towns 1 RMB will buy you a nice dinner, maybe even enough to share with a friend. Chinese doctors work in old buildings with poor equipment but they are well trained and have a solid experience from to treating many patients. People in metropolitan areas are not living in despair but rather economic prosperity thanks to capitalism. This wouldn't have been possible if China had not changed course. Before that people were dying by the millions.

You're not going to convince me Chinas public sector is as bad as the US. With continued growth some money will get reinvested there because the politicians know to keep people happy and quiet.

The bad state in the US is because people don't want real social change. The founding fathers of the US were very much against big government and most of the south has kept to that. Maybe China is headed there too seeing as how they try to adopt US ways. But having a one party system means they have the political power to make reforms happen, whereas the US has no interest in anything but chasing the dollar. China has not privatized big state companies. The US is a very different entity because it started out being owned by men not the government.

[Hoi]

You support the US's imperialism? The citizens of the USA should rise up against their masters to stop these "policies" and many other policies of similar severeness. The US citizens who are not completely brainwashed don't want to invade the entire world just because it is good for a few corporations and powerful people...

How exactly is China having technology problematic? I won't deny issues in that country but the US and others have things going on that are just as bad. You disgust me.

Yes, I fully support and endorse US imperialism over Communism. US imperialism is and was far better option than being Communist puppet, it's like difference between a heaven and a hell.

US imperialism has done a fantastic job of keeping peace in the east Asia and throughout the world and shown to be the far better option than communism and/or any other alternatives. I do watch and read some foreign news, so I know what their views are, and seen how US was there to stop them from going to war.


1. There is huge economic gap between rich and poor in China compared to US even with current economic policy.

2. US corporation give far more benefits to people than Chinese corporations even with all the corruptions.

3. There are far less corruptions in the developed countries including US than in China and developing countries.

4. China is communist for a fact and it would be foolish to make up stories about how they are not.

5. China promote communism to its neighboring countries, and people in those countries suffer from poverty.

Learn facts, not fictions.

You are clearly delusional, your mind polluted by propaganda.

I sense a deep fear of communism. The same fear that made the people support earlier wars, the same fear that ruled during the cold war.

It is not the place of the US to police the world. Communism, capitalism are both designed for the same thing; to centralize power in an easy way. Divide and conquer tactics are used. In capitalistic countries the people are taught to fear communism and to support wars against those countries, in communistic countries the reverse happens.

You can see here the creation of a form of dualism, this exists to distract people from the real issues, from what really matters. "Left vs right", "republicans vs democrats", "communism vs capitalism" "a vs b". When the minds of people are polarized they cannot look past the system, they cannot think outside of the box and they become a simple slave to concepts and manipulative entities.

I am not expecting you to completely understand all of this and more, but at least try to open your eyes and start thinking. Away with the cold war fear, be critical and see how both parties are wrong.

Besides that china is not communistic, (modern) capitalism creates (wealth) problems of equal or greater size, also, US is responsible for a huge amount of war. They are not peace keepers, they are war bringers. This is not for the greater good, it is because those in power want it. They must be stopped.

[Karl]

I Would rather go to War instead of a Show Business.

[MileyCyrus]

What communism?
There was never any communism anywhere..
The soviet union was a socialist dictatorship lead by bureaucrats.
China is now a capitalistic dictatorhip lead by...Bureaucrats.

There is no need to compare anything to the US.
The US ATM is a good example, in many areas, of how not to act...
Its only Might now lies in its gigantic military.
The US now, in terms of economic equality, is in the beginning of the 20 century...
It has been losing "power" for decades after the initial boom following WW2.
This process, as far as the rest of the world is concerned will be concluded with the withdrawal of many of its foreign military presence, IMO.

[Prominence]

You are clearly delusional, your mind polluted by propaganda.

I sense a deep fear of communism. The same fear that made the people support earlier wars, the same fear that ruled during the cold war.

It is not the place of the US to police the world. Communism, capitalism are both designed for the same thing; to centralize power in an easy way. Divide and conquer tactics are used. In capitalistic countries the people are taught to fear communism and to support wars against those countries, in communistic countries the reverse happens.

You can see here the creation of a form of dualism, this exists to distract people from the real issues, from what really matters. "Left vs right", "republicans vs democrats", "communism vs capitalism" "a vs b". When the minds of people are polarized they cannot look past the system, they cannot think outside of the box and they become a simple slave to concepts and manipulative entities.

I am not expecting you to completely understand all of this and more, but at least try to open your eyes and start thinking. Away with the cold war fear, be critical and see how both parties are wrong.

Besides that china is not communistic, (modern) capitalism creates (wealth) problems of equal or greater size, also, US is responsible for a huge amount of war. They are not peace keepers, they are war bringers. This is not for the greater good, it is because those in power want it. They must be stopped.

You clearly can't tell difference between facts and fictions.

Maybe you should travel to various countries and see the real difference.

It's for a fact that the country influenced by US imperialism turn out far better than countries that are influenced by communist China.

1. Countries that are influenced by US imperialism have higher GDPs than countries that are influenced by communist China.
2. Countries that are influenced by US imperialism have higher standard of living than countries that are influenced by communist China.
3. People in countries that are influenced by US imperialism are more wealthier than people in countries that are influenced by communist China.
4. There is far less economic inequalities in the Republic than China and its communist ally.
5. There are way more poverty in the countries influenced by communist China than countries that are influenced by US imperialism.
6. There are more freedom in US than China
7. People have more say in their government in US than China

Again, your assumption or myth that your believe in is far from the truth. It's for a fact that US is and was far better option than China even with all the corruptions and wrongdoings.

[fc14159]

Then why are you hoping for failure on Chinese CPUs? If big bad China really had such a bad system, wouldn't it die on its own without your hate? Shouldn't the country not have one of the highest economic growth rates in the world just by its faulty communism, instead of intervention by the U.S?

China has not pushed communism onto any country. Vietnam and North Korea, the only neighboring Asian "communist" states, formed their own communist parties. The same can't be said for the U.S. with democracy and capitalism.

It's obviously fear that you have for China. You don't hate China because it has a low GDP, or because its people have a low standard of living, or because its government is corrupt. Unless you hate the worse-off African nations even more, it's because you've been brainwashed to believe that communism is bad, and you're mad that the growth numbers are not showing that notion right.

Edit: My bad, Laos is also communist. Ended all relations with China in 1979. Hmm.

[yuritch]

Just for information: there was that event when 'communist' China invaded no less 'communist' Vietnam (which was supported by USSR), but the attack was repulsed. USSR and China were at the brink of nuclear war back then, but managed to calm down.

Before that there was another event which nearly led to the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino–Sovie ... r_conflict
(this link doesn't want to go into "url" tag for some reason)

Cold war had more than just 2 opposing sides.

Chinese haven't tried anything like that again since the 1980s though.

[smoth]

Yawn political thread.. 'merica is the souce of all evils blah blah

Further distancing good americans further polarization hoi you epitomized you post with the anti American rant.

Hang on while I glare at all the black and whit while people talk about grey...

Hang on while I laugh at people calling the republic of the united states a capitalist democracy.. When it is closer to an oligarchy under the guise of a republic!

But hey it's ok only America must be stopped only american "imperialism" must be stopped. Because the proxy wars are imperialism and only America does proxy wars *rolls eyes* you guys can have all my hate.

[MileyCyrus]

You cant compare communism and capitalism..
Capitalism is a much thinner concept than communism.

Countries to take example from are the social democracies of north Europe.
Any sane person without a superiority complex would prefer to live in place that is run in a similar fashion.

[Hoi]

Yawn political thread.. 'merica is the souce of all evils blah blah

Further distancing good americans further polarization hoi you epitomized you post with the anti American rant.

Hang on while I glare at all the black and whit while people talk about grey...

Hang on while I laugh at people calling the republic of the united states a capitalist democracy.. When it is closer to an oligarchy under the guise of a republic!

But hey it's ok only America must be stopped only american "imperialism" must be stopped. Because the proxy wars are imperialism and only America does proxy wars *rolls eyes* you guys can have all my hate.

How is an anti-american policy rant the same as being anti america? I have problems with american policies, and those are not created by most of the american people. They are created by a few people who have the power...

I could rant about other countries too if you want to hear it, but that would be pointless for the discussion.

[Hoi]

You are clearly delusional, your mind polluted by propaganda.

I sense a deep fear of communism. The same fear that made the people support earlier wars, the same fear that ruled during the cold war.

It is not the place of the US to police the world. Communism, capitalism are both designed for the same thing; to centralize power in an easy way. Divide and conquer tactics are used. In capitalistic countries the people are taught to fear communism and to support wars against those countries, in communistic countries the reverse happens.

You can see here the creation of a form of dualism, this exists to distract people from the real issues, from what really matters. "Left vs right", "republicans vs democrats", "communism vs capitalism" "a vs b". When the minds of people are polarized they cannot look past the system, they cannot think outside of the box and they become a simple slave to concepts and manipulative entities.

I am not expecting you to completely understand all of this and more, but at least try to open your eyes and start thinking. Away with the cold war fear, be critical and see how both parties are wrong.

Besides that china is not communistic, (modern) capitalism creates (wealth) problems of equal or greater size, also, US is responsible for a huge amount of war. They are not peace keepers, they are war bringers. This is not for the greater good, it is because those in power want it. They must be stopped.

You clearly can't tell difference between facts and fictions.

Maybe you should travel to various countries and see the real difference.

It's for a fact that the country influenced by US imperialism turn out far better than countries that are influenced by communist China.

1. Countries that are influenced by US imperialism have higher GDPs than countries that are influenced by communist China.
2. Countries that are influenced by US imperialism have higher standard of living than countries that are influenced by communist China.
3. People in countries that are influenced by US imperialism are more wealthier than people in countries that are influenced by communist China.
4. There is far less economic inequalities in the Republic than China and its communist ally.
5. There are way more poverty in the countries influenced by communist China than countries that are influenced by US imperialism.
6. There are more freedom in US than China
7. People have more say in their government in US than China

Again, your assumption or myth that your believe in is far from the truth. It's for a fact that US is and was far better option than China even with all the corruptions and wrongdoings.

I will not continue a conversation with someone who chooses to ignore the truth and repeat the same made up bullshit every time in every reply to any post, while he, at the same time does not even reply to the content in said post.

[Prominence]

Then why are you hoping for failure on Chinese CPUs? If big bad China really had such a bad system, wouldn't it die on its own without your hate? Shouldn't the country not have one of the highest economic growth rates in the world just by its faulty communism, instead of intervention by the U.S?

China has not pushed communism onto any country. Vietnam and North Korea, the only neighboring Asian "communist" states, formed their own communist parties. The same can't be said for the U.S. with democracy and capitalism.

It's obviously fear that you have for China. You don't hate China because it has a low GDP, or because its people have a low standard of living, or because its government is corrupt. Unless you hate the worse-off African nations even more, it's because you've been brainwashed to believe that communism is bad, and you're mad that the growth numbers are not showing that notion right.

Edit: My bad, Laos is also communist. Ended all relations with China in 1979. Hmm.

1. China did push communism onto the neighboring countries by eliminating any opposing parties and/or silencing any opposing parties, and promoted the one party system. The elimination and/or silencing is accomplished through military presence and/or military support to enforce one party system. They also implemented same thing in their own country. This is something even idiots would know. US also did same thing to push Republic onto other countries.

2. I have no for fear for China since US military is vastly superior compared to Chinese military. US also have all the right weapons to counteract against all current Chinese weapons.

3. I have no reasons to like or support governments where people have no say in their governments and governments that gives less freedoms to its people than a Republic.

4. It's in everyone's best interest to have those forms of governments to not become powerful in any shape or form.

[fc14159]

1. China did push communism onto the neighboring countries by eliminating any opposing parties and/or silencing any opposing parties, and promoted the one party system. The elimination and/or silencing is accomplished through military presence and/or military support to enforce one party system. They also implemented same thing in their own country.

True, China did support the already existing communist governments in Vietnam and North Korea. But China did not install a puppet government, as did the U.S. in every successful invasion.

2. I have no for fear for China since US military is vastly superior compared to Chinese military. US also have all the right weapons to counteract against all current Chinese weapons.

I'm not even gonna comment on that.

3. I have no reasons to like or support governments where people have no say in their governments and governments that gives less freedoms to its people than a Republic.

4. It's in everyone's best interest to have those forms of governments to not become powerful in any shape or form.

Even if you wanted China's government to fail, it makes no sense for you to want Chinese civilian technologies to fail. By being against a bad government, you should be supporting the people being wronged by the government, instead of wanting to enslave them with your own government.

You know Prominence, you're a damn shitty American. I don't even think I can call you a real American. The U.S. is going down because of people like you-stuck in the past with the arrogance. It's people like you who have fucked up the federal debt and brainwashed and sent Americans overseas to die. Instead of doing something useful for America, you just hold a blind hate for China. Enjoy your government bailouts and Obamacare.

[maackey]

eew politics. Y'all are no better than dirty poop-hurling monkeys for discussing politics in such a manner.

on a more serious note: it would be nice if the admins created a special section specifically for politics/religion so the inevitable trolling can be contained. A general ban on politics/religion is ignored by mindless zealots and trolls/trollbait anyway, which comprise 90% of the posters in these types of discussions.

Build them an outhouse so they stop crapping in the corner of the room.